rose said, you know what, those guys are lucky. he would have given anything for a second chance. here he is on 97.3, the fan in pittsburgh. listen to this. >> i picked the wrong vice. i should have picked alcohol. i should have picked drugs or i should have picked beatings up my wife or my girlfriend because if you do those three you get a second chance. they haven't given too many gamblers second chances in the world of baseball. martha: rose was banned from baseball more than 20 years ago for betting on games. boy, what do you think, bill? bill: well, i'm biased. i grew up with the guy but listen, his point about some of these getting busted for drugs already, they will get a second chance. martha: yeah. bill: already proven, take a 50-game suspension you will play baseball next year. on that point he is exactly right. martha: you think that -- bill: vices, but vices are bad, however. martha: well, yeah. but, i don't know. i mean i think you got to be across the board.